So let me get this straight ... there are people out there who are about to lose their homes because they can't afford either their rent or mortgage payments anymore ... there are also people out there who don't know when their next meal is gonna be, either for themselves or for their kids ... everyday people are getting their loved ones taken away from them in the most heinous of ways ... and the only problem that these people in this video can bitch and moan about is that you get treated differently because you're above average looking? From myself who is also an above average looking person to these people on this video ... ARE YOU !@#$% KIDDING ME????????!!!!!!!!!!
ASKJDOG
· 4 months ago
Hey arkenton.. I agree with you, there's a lot of shit happening in the world, and this seems minor in comparison. However, this blog is not a political or economical one. It's purely to provide insight into the dating minds of men and women. So for many guys who haven't yet considered looking through the eyes of the very women that they desire, then this video provides them with a valuable glimpse.
philsproof
· 4 months ago
This is an interesting topic for discussion, JDog. I think you hit right on the mark when you said,
> She has no frame of reference
Relativity is a tricky philosophical viewpoint, but we should all be aware of the fact that things like beauty and intelligence are indeed subject to relativistic viewpoints. The above poster points out that that there are people who struggle to get their lives in order and to live from paycheck-to-paycheck---what is that in comparison to the tribulations of someone who has to deal with being beautiful?
But then again, this criticism falls into the same sort that your mother used to tell you -- you know, about how you should eat your brussels sprouts because kids in Africa are starving every day? How well did that one work?
You can turn Mr. Arkenton's criticism right back and say, "Well, what are your troubles compared to someone in a third-world country who has to deal with the real prospect of starvation?"
Or take high school teens. Teenage angst and acne, for example, seems so insignificant compared to the problems of a single working parent, trying frantically to get through college -- but then again, try explaining that one to the average high school student.
Empathy is hard to pass around. It really IS a problem with a biased perspective, as you point out. We are who we are. We all have problems, and we all think our problems are as severe as the next guy (or girls).
But enough philosophizing.
The point of your post was to demonstrate that beautiful people are subject to similar insecurities and problems, and I would agree. Very few beautiful people walk through life thinking, "Gee, life is awesome because I'm awesome."
JDog, thanks for the interesting topic. Judging by your reading list, you're interested in philosophy. I think this whole discourse would fall into the field of standpoint theory or to a very general extent, postmodernism. It's very interesting!
Andres
· 4 months ago
Hey JDog, nice to hear from you again. My wife is one of those above average looking persons and she has a very rough time at work. At her workplace all her female peers have average or below average looks. They always go out to bars and discos but they never invite my wife to go out with them (some of them are married too). They don´t even talk to her at work (just good morning, goodbye and work related conversations). And for her is very difficult to make friends due to the fact that she has better looks than other girls. My wife also tells me how the guys at the office always look at her, like she was a piece of meat. And this really get on her nerves. She tells me that she cannot understand why it is so difficult for a guy to look at her in the eyes instead of looking at her body while talking. The only real and few friends that she has are the ones that she made at elementary school. I can tell that being pretty can be a constant pain in the @$$ sometimes.
ASKJDOG
· 4 months ago
yep.. thanks for sharing Andres.. that's exactly my experience also from the girls I've dated. Most guys can't connect with such women because they are coming from such a self centered place, only focused on their own desire. So when a guy can just treat her (genuinely) like any other person, and on top of that be able to understand her world. Magic. Cheers!
arkenton
· 4 months ago
I guess i did come across a bit harsh towards the people in the video and sort of ... maybe, missed the point of it. Correction, i didn't miss the point of the vid per say, i just kind of ignored it, it sort of didn't sit well with me because of the way the vid was brought across. Honestly, certain people should've been edited out.
But i do understand. When you think about it, when you really step back and take a look at what women, particularly the beautiful ones, has to go through in order to sift out the losers, to finaly bag herself a winner. It's almost as if she is asking you to save her, but in order to save her from the losers and a life of being single and lonely ... you need to play your cards right!
If this was a perfect world, this is how it will go down: Guy is in a club/bar ... he spots a gorgeous girl and they make eye contact, and in that same moment suddenly ... time stops ... the music and everyone around them freezes, even the smoke that's being exhaled by someone with a cigarette is frozen in this brief moment in time ... except, for the guy and the gorgeous girl ... she walks up to him and tells him in a very nonchalant manner "hey, i'm the subconscious brain of this beautiful girl. I noticed you, and i want you to know that even though i may not seem like it because my conscious self doesn't know this ... i am curious about you, i am attracted ... so c'mon over and open me ... i will respond, and what ever you do ... Do Not Blow It By Mentioning Anything About My Looks! Ya, got it? Good. Now, please save me by showing me what a great guy you are". Then she walks back to her original position in space and everything un-freezes and time is back on the go. What a perfect world that would be huh? lol
Nicole
· 4 months ago
You wrote: "Is she brushing you off because she dislikes you personally? Or is she tired of having 12 guys hit on her today with lame approaches, and no obvious regard for her as a person? Perhaps she just needs to make the best use of her time, and has programmed herself to shut down certain advances form ANY guy. Think twice before calling her a bitch."
THANK YOU!! I don't think guys ever think about that. I think if a man ever traded places with a woman he'd probably be in for a rude awakening. An average night out with the girls consists of: - Being whistled at while walking down the street. - Constantly hearing guys say things such as, "Hey baby" ... "I'd like to take you home" ... "Can I get your number" ... "Look at that ass" ...and it can get worse than that. - Being grabbed/touched while at a club/bar, which usually happens before the guy speaks a single word...it's like a "hello" to them. - Being yelled at or cussed out when you tell them you're not interested. - Being stared down like you're prey.
If that happened a couple times it wouldn't be too bad, but it happens every time we go out. It's definitely not flattering. It makes me think that all guys are assholes (because those seem to be the ones who always do the approaching), and that they're only interested in me as an object. When out with girlfriends we always turn down drink offers, because there are still the guys who think accepting a drink means we're going home with him. It's hard to tell who's genuine when you're used to the same horrible/rude approach, so we make it easy and try to ignore all the men around us.
I'm still trying to figure out why all the wrong guys are the ones doing the approaching. I would love for someone nice to start talking with me, but it doesn't really happen. Someone will be nice and give a compliment and just walk away, or they'll glance over several times and smile... but never approach. This is why I appreciate you and the other pickup artists for doing what you all do. Hopefully the things you teach will catch on and I'll finally get approached in a respectful way (I'm ready for a date already!). I'd make the first move, but just don't have the guts for it.
DSA
· 2 months ago
Good stuff... one of the things I've found about many beautiful women is that they separate people into two categories, the kind who she can feel comfortable with, and the kind she can't. A lot of men who are not used to being around beautiful women, kind of "freak out" and lose themselves completely and she cannot be around that because it causes all kinds of problems for her. She needs to lose those kinds of people. She needs to make a fast decision in order to stay safe and have a good time.
Mario C.
· 2 weeks ago
Hi JDog
Here are a few thoughts about this video. This topic is REALLY interesting, because beautiful women:
- Didn't choose being beautiful,
- Sometimes they feel like objects because their looks,
- Even though they're genetic celebrities, I've found that most of them have a hard time finding a boyfriend, mainly because most men don't act like REAL MEN when they're around them...(they act insecure and always try to please her)
So I'd like to suggest men to start treating beautiful women just like NORMAL PEOPLE and not like a goddess...
All Comments
From myself who is also an above average looking person to these people on this video ... ARE YOU !@#$% KIDDING ME????????!!!!!!!!!!
> She has no frame of reference
Relativity is a tricky philosophical viewpoint, but we should all be aware of the fact that things like beauty and intelligence are indeed subject to relativistic viewpoints. The above poster points out that that there are people who struggle to get their lives in order and to live from paycheck-to-paycheck---what is that in comparison to the tribulations of someone who has to deal with being beautiful?
But then again, this criticism falls into the same sort that your mother used to tell you -- you know, about how you should eat your brussels sprouts because kids in Africa are starving every day? How well did that one work?
You can turn Mr. Arkenton's criticism right back and say, "Well, what are your troubles compared to someone in a third-world country who has to deal with the real prospect of starvation?"
Or take high school teens. Teenage angst and acne, for example, seems so insignificant compared to the problems of a single working parent, trying frantically to get through college -- but then again, try explaining that one to the average high school student.
Empathy is hard to pass around. It really IS a problem with a biased perspective, as you point out. We are who we are. We all have problems, and we all think our problems are as severe as the next guy (or girls).
But enough philosophizing.
The point of your post was to demonstrate that beautiful people are subject to similar insecurities and problems, and I would agree. Very few beautiful people walk through life thinking, "Gee, life is awesome because I'm awesome."
JDog, thanks for the interesting topic. Judging by your reading list, you're interested in philosophy. I think this whole discourse would fall into the field of standpoint theory or to a very general extent, postmodernism. It's very interesting!
But i do understand. When you think about it, when you really step back and take a look at what women, particularly the beautiful ones, has to go through in order to sift out the losers, to finaly bag herself a winner. It's almost as if she is asking you to save her, but in order to save her from the losers and a life of being single and lonely ... you need to play your cards right!
If this was a perfect world, this is how it will go down:
Guy is in a club/bar ... he spots a gorgeous girl and they make eye contact, and in that same moment suddenly ... time stops ... the music and everyone around them freezes, even the smoke that's being exhaled by someone with a cigarette is frozen in this brief moment in time ... except, for the guy and the gorgeous girl ... she walks up to him and tells him in a very nonchalant manner "hey, i'm the subconscious brain of this beautiful girl. I noticed you, and i want you to know that even though i may not seem like it because my conscious self doesn't know this ... i am curious about you, i am attracted ... so c'mon over and open me ... i will respond, and what ever you do ... Do Not Blow It By Mentioning Anything About My Looks! Ya, got it? Good. Now, please save me by showing me what a great guy you are". Then she walks back to her original position in space and everything un-freezes and time is back on the go.
What a perfect world that would be huh? lol
THANK YOU!! I don't think guys ever think about that. I think if a man ever traded places with a woman he'd probably be in for a rude awakening.
An average night out with the girls consists of:
- Being whistled at while walking down the street.
- Constantly hearing guys say things such as, "Hey baby" ... "I'd like to take you home" ... "Can I get your number" ... "Look at that ass" ...and it can get worse than that.
- Being grabbed/touched while at a club/bar, which usually happens before the guy speaks a single word...it's like a "hello" to them.
- Being yelled at or cussed out when you tell them you're not interested.
- Being stared down like you're prey.
If that happened a couple times it wouldn't be too bad, but it happens every time we go out. It's definitely not flattering. It makes me think that all guys are assholes (because those seem to be the ones who always do the approaching), and that they're only interested in me as an object. When out with girlfriends we always turn down drink offers, because there are still the guys who think accepting a drink means we're going home with him. It's hard to tell who's genuine when you're used to the same horrible/rude approach, so we make it easy and try to ignore all the men around us.
I'm still trying to figure out why all the wrong guys are the ones doing the approaching. I would love for someone nice to start talking with me, but it doesn't really happen. Someone will be nice and give a compliment and just walk away, or they'll glance over several times and smile... but never approach. This is why I appreciate you and the other pickup artists for doing what you all do. Hopefully the things you teach will catch on and I'll finally get approached in a respectful way (I'm ready for a date already!). I'd make the first move, but just don't have the guts for it.
Here are a few thoughts about this video. This topic is REALLY interesting, because beautiful women:
- Didn't choose being beautiful,
- Sometimes they feel like objects because their looks,
- Even though they're genetic celebrities, I've found that most of them have a hard time finding a boyfriend, mainly because most men don't act like REAL MEN when they're around them...(they act insecure and always try to please her)
So I'd like to suggest men to start treating beautiful women just like NORMAL PEOPLE and not like a goddess...
What do you think about it?